In this interview for the What Grows? podcast, CTI’s founder Sophie unpacks what it means to teach from lived experience, why she doesn’t believe in scaling organizations, and how real change happens in relationship rather than through debates. She discusses the power of being believed without question, why flexibility matters more than confidence in your ideas, and what it looks like to design systems that trust people’s capacity for good rather than assume their capacity for harm.

Listen here: Change Happens in Relationships with Sophie Otiende.